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Der Bestsellerautor und praktizierende Arzt Dr. Mark Hyman teilt mit, wie Sie Ihre Biologie bio-hacken können, indem Sie Lebensmittel als Ihre Apotheke verwenden. Und er nimmt das Geheimnis einer guten Ernährung, indem er eine völlig neue Art des Essens teilt, die für jeden zugänglich ist. Dieser Podcast informiert Sie über drei einfache Tipps, wie Sie sich ernähren können, um bessere Gesundheitsergebnisse zu erzielen:
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Welcome to the Tony Robbins podcast. Tony's had the privilege of working with some of the greatest doctors and experts in Peak Performance and vitality and today's guest is no exception. Dr. Mark Hyman is the founder and director of the ultra Wellness Center the head of the strategy and Innovation for the Cleveland Clinic for functional medicine and the board president for clinical affairs of the institute for functional. The medicine he's a practicing family physician 13-time New York Times bestselling author and an internationally recognized leader speaker educator and advocates for the field of functional medicine in today's sit down. Dr. Hyman discusses his new book the pagan diet 21 practical principles for reclaiming your health in a nutritionally confusing world. He also talks about using food to biohack his way to high performance and an Abundant Life. Dr. Hyman discuss
Eating the rainbow using food as medicine and the inherent nutritional wisdom of animals. Dr. Hyman. Thank you so much for your time. Well, thanks for having me. Okay, let's start with some background. Tony's always been a fan of your work. You've known each other for years you've spoken at so many of his events like Unleash the Power Within and life Mastery. You're both huge proponents of science-based plans for detoxification and eating real Whole Foods. That's right. So let's start with talking a little bit about your relationship with Tony and then how have you guys partnered over the years? I mean combined you've reached
What hundreds of thousands of people maybe Millions? Listen Tony is all about optimizing your life and performance in a lot of the focus is on your mental health and your mental resilience and your ability to achieve your dreams. But all of that is completely limited by any kind of physical ill-health and unless you are Optimize your biology is hard to optimize your life. They go hand in hand. And that's the Synergy between Tony and I is that he's a master of resetting people's intellectual emotional spiritual lives, but on the biological level, you know, there's a whole set of principles that is about designing a way of eating and living and being that leads to P performance Optimal Health. It allows you to engage with your life fully which means showing
up, which means being fully in relationships, which means be able to do whatever you want the morning when you get up so you don't feel limited by the limitations of your body, and how do you show up for work for love for relationships for connection for friends for anything that you love to do? How do you do that? And I think that's the case energy here. So, Mark, we're here today because even a new book coming out. It's called the vegan diet 21 practical principles for reclaiming your health in a nutritionally confusing world. So can you talk a little bit about the term? Vegan when you first came up with it and a little bit about why you decided to write this book at this time. That's a great question. Well, you know, I was a doctor on the front lines of seeing patients for 30 years and treating tens of thousands of patients testing them with literally millions of analyses that I've seen looking at their stories and seeing what works and what doesn't work. It's really clear to me that all the dietary dog was out. There are unfortunately rigid and restricted and don't allow
or flexibility for personalization for understanding that food is medicine and I was like wait a minute, you know, we need to come up with a coherent set of principles, it's science-based. It's based on common sense. And as it was inspired by this panel. I was on once with a friend of mine who was a Paleo. Dr. Another then was a vegan cardiologist and they were fighting like cats and dogs and I was in the middle of going back and forth and I said we do pure paleo and you're vegan. I must be pagan and everybody started laughing and I thought oh, that's a good joke. Okay, that was fun. And then I started thinking about the way home on the plane. I like to wait a minute. They're identical. They're the same except for one thing where you get your protein and
Most are grains and beans. Otherwise, they both promote a plan Rich diet promotes eating good fats both promote eating Whole Foods both promote getting off of dairy and getting off of processed foods and even getting out of all the additives and hormones and antibiotics and chemicals and pesticides. So the truth is that that there are more alike than they are different especially when compared to the traditional American diet and that goes for any diet where people are trying to Aspire to better help others Quito or paleo or low-fat and low-carb everybody try to do the right thing. But we have to understand that we're all different. Like I said in the beginning we have to personalize this approach and we can't just have a one size fits all approach and some people may tolerate grains and beans some people may not some people may thrive on animal protein and wither without it others might not some people, you know my do okay being vegans others get into trouble and then it depends on what's going on with you. For example, if you have terrible bacterial overgrowth in your gut and your guts are messy starting tons of starchy foods and Grains and beans you're going to be in trouble, right, but if you have an autoimmune disease
So we personalize the approach and the pecan diet is once a set of practical principles and applied to everybody that talks about the Common Ground. We all share about eating real food and second. It's really about food as medicine understanding the food is not just calories, but it's information or instructions that can up regulator down-regulate your biology with every bite and lastly. It's about personalization. So we have to be adaptable and we have to listen to our bodies, not our ideology. We don't want our ideology to trample over our biology if you believe you should be a vegan but your body says no that's not good for you. Right if you believe you should be PL your but your body says no Then you have to listen. So listen to your body. It's the smartest doctor in the room.
That is true. Your body is the best doctor in so many of us don't listen to our bodies, you know, so let's talk more about the pagan diet. What are some of the principles and how would you eat this way long-term like as a lifestyle use food at your Pharmacy when you go shopping think you're going to the drugstore everything you're buying is a drug, you know, it's gotta hurt you or it's going to heal you so whether you're buying you know, I don't know. Let's say Triscuits or full of
as fats and gluten or you're buying, you know wild blueberries. The Frozen wild blueberries have profoundly different effects on your biology. So you when I go to the grocery store, I am thinking about it as my Pharmacy and I'm like, oh I'm gonna buy this is going to be great for my microbiome out of some jicama and artichoke and these scramble to get some sauerkraut for Probiotic foods, and hmm. I'm going to use these polyphenols from cranberry green tea to help my microbiome, and I'm going to get some broccoli because I know it's going to up-regulate my glutathione my detox system, and I know that if I get some turmeric to make curry, I'm going to reduce. - my body, and I know that if I eat foods with certain fibers that are resistant to starches like plantains, it's going to help balance my blood sugar that's going to lead to a better blood sugar profile and correct my hormonal imbalances. I know that if I hate the right combinations of amino acids from the right kinds of protein must eat, you know animal proteins. I'm going to up-regulate my muscles synthesis. So I am thinking all the time about how do I use food to biohack my way to high-performance great energy great.
focus and Abundant Life and so that's the first principle the second is eaten the rainbow and it sort of follows along with that which is in plant Foods. There are 25,000 different phytochemicals. And those are mostly Uncharted Territory, but there are currently out there critical for regulating our biology. So we're kind of lazy if we don't need to take vitamin C as a human we don't we get it from our food, but there are so many other Pathways that depend on all these plant chemicals the Reds the blues the greens yellows oranges these contain all these plant chemicals phytochemicals flavonoids terpenes all kinds of stuff. So powerful. That's why it's important to eat the rainbow and then the 75 percent rule is my favorite, which is 75% of your plate should be non-starchy vegetables and you can load up. I got mushrooms. I have roasted eggplant. I'll have a broccoli rabe. I'll have maybe a salad with lots of different vegetables in it. So I might have, you know, two dozen different types of vegetables at dinner or meals because that's where all the yummy good medicine is and then when
Eating whether it's grains or beans you have to understand one who's should be eating them to out of preparing them and three which grains and beans should you eat because they're not all created equal for example, you know a commercially raised wheat, that's hybrid dwarf wheat is got far more sugar and starch than sugar. So it's got a superstar child amylopectin a because bread for that too. It's got more Glide and proteins because of how it's bread. So it's more likely to cause autoimmunity and inflammation three a spray with glyphosate which destroyed your microbiome and links to cancer and forth preserve with calcium propionate which has been linked to autism and ADHD and behavioral issues and kids and even adults. So that's one grain or you can have for example Himalayan tahr Turi buckwheat, which I talk about in the book, which is an ancient Himalayan grain and it was grown in the roughest conditions that express over a hundred and thirty-two phytochemicals that regulate your immune system and rejuvenates you have high levels of protein. It's low glycemic and
it's a superfood but Grant, you know, you can have one cup of white flour 1 cup of Himalayan buckwheat flour different from your biology. So the book focuses on quality and whenever you're eating what it's beans grains nuts seeds figure that out in the book. You don't just talk about principles. You also include recipes, right? So what are some of the combinations of the rainbow that you know, what is your favorite recipe actually in the book? I'd love to know. Yeah. Well, I mean I It's surprising right because it's not what you'd normally think but it's pancakes. Dr. Hyman. Have you lost your mind? And why are you telling people to eat pancakes? Because it's not exactly how well are they? Well, I need meat from the flower that you refer to well, so, yes, so so these pancakes are made with buckwheat flour now, I've got a Super Lucky circumstance for I can get access to these Himalayan tahr Turi buckwheat flour pancake, which is
such a powerful fuck superfood in power food, but you can do it with regular buckwheat to and the and not only does it have this amazing flower with a hundred and thirty-two phytochemicals and also incredible incredible phytochemicals that help rejuvenate your kinds of music like Kristen Reardon and so forth, but also has Prebiotic fibers in there and help your gut and on top of that it's made with other non-grain flours like almond flour, which is great as far as a source of protein and extra good fats so delicious and then and then, of course, it's got pasture-raised eggs, which have wonderful properties for your antioxidants all that all the dark yellow as you see in those are from the carotenoids which are great for your eyes and skin and hair and then, of course, there are the vitamins minerals in there and then you've got the spices and now spices are the amazing things. This is Ty pancakes you
the chili spices which include cardamom Ginger cloves nutmeg cinnamon and these spices like cinnamon for example helps regulate blood sugar and Ginger is a powerful anti-inflammatory. Each of these has its medicinal superfood Powers. So spices are among the most potent superfood. So basically you can get high protein low starch good fat phytochemical E. Rich pancakes that taste freaking awesome. Sounds so good. So a lot of diets, right they come with their ups and downs in terms of energy throughout the day or you know differences between how you feel and day 1 and day three and it's you know, it's very prescribed. How would you describe what we can expect from this particular plan?
Well, it's rough first to lose weight. Then you have mental Clarity then your joint pains and aches go away. Then you sleep better then you have better sex then your skin clears up and then your digestive problems go away and you're posting is our drip is gone and you feel 20 years younger. So those are the side effects. You have to be careful and watch for sure. So these are all clear physical health benefits, right? But we're in you.
much and mental Clarity, but I'd love it if you could talk a little bit about the chapter that you have on food and mood. Right? So we're facing higher levels of depression and anxiety than we've ever had before. So, how can you use food as medicine for your mind? Well, most people don't connect what they eat with how they feel and it's striking to me and I mean people come with depression anxiety panic attacks, or more severe issues even things like ADHD and autism and bipolar disease schizophrenia, and what became clear to me. as I was practicing functional medicine for decades as I treated their physical problems, their mental problems went away, and I jokingly call myself The Accidental psychiatrist because I never intended to treat their brain. But what I realized was when you create Health in the body the brain is connected to the body despite what we learn in medical school and everything. You do influence your brain what you eat how you feel your nutritional levels your hormone levels your gut microbiome and environmental toxins your mitochondrial Energy Systems your immune system.
many of these problems of the brain are inflammatory diseases of the brain depression is brain inflammation, and we know from large clinical trials and you swap out crap for good food depression goes away when you look at even more serious issues like violence and behavioral issues. It's striking what happens in prisons where they can improve diets in the prison's by swapping out the junk food for healthy food in the violent crime goes down by 56% You had a multivitamin goes down by 80% sent in juvenile detention centers buying disruptive behavior goes down by 91% and suicides by a hundred percent. I mean suicide is the third leading cause of death in teenage boys and to have a treatment that cut suicide by a hundred percent. You think it would be headline news, but it's not just because it's helping bun so we know even in the academic performance CDC put out a report called new nutrition and academic performance and showed how clearly how processed foods and high.
our foods and foods with chemicals and additives and lack of protective Whole Foods, which is the foundation of the peak in the diet leads to poor academic performance and poor tension and poor focus and less likelihood of success in lifeless likely to go to college get a good-paying job and all that is just really related to food. So and now I you know, I wrote this other book the ultra mind solution almost twelve Thirty forty years ago, and I was thinking sidered, you know a way out there. I'll talk about the microbiome in the brain and they're like, who are you and now there are Departments of metabolic Psychiatry at yet Stanford and nutritional Psychiatry at Harvard and one of the top Harvard psychiatrists is written a book about how the microbiome affects the brain and mood. So I think we have this moment of Reckoning where we see this massive amount of depression and mental illness. If you look at the health care costs over the next thirty-five years the majority of the ninety-five trillion dollars that we're going to have to
deal with in terms of direct-indirect cause the majority of that is not what you think. It's not diabetes or heart disease or cancer. It's a mental illness. It's depression. It's and yet we know how simple it is to often treat these things by fixing these underlying biological causes and then, of course, there are sometimes challenges with wife and traumas and stresses that will cause a depression that is real but often people are suffering at the scale. We have not because they have a crappy life, but because they're what they're eating and they don't connect the dots and so eating food is like fatty fish and and and which have omega-3 even berries with their presence and it ends and the fiber Richard fermented foods to help your God and nuts and seeds would have tryptophan help Moon energy. The flan of green tea has great polyphenols and thinning helps things I-80. So there's a lot of benefits there just from eating foods that are going to help regulate your brain and in turn your mood. So if there are issues among teenagers,
and within prisons for getting access to healthy food and being able to eat in a way that is going to produce more positive physical and mental benefits. How do we deal with the problem of access? Do you think there's a problem with access in terms of you know distribution and the ability to get the highest quality ingredients or do you think it's also true a problem of access in terms of Education when people do just don't know? I think it's both I think you know the legitimately our food swamps, which is where foods are abundant. It'll kill. you that often go on with food deserts, which have like healthy foods that are hard people again. I mean I had one woman is crying to me and Cleveland news was learning to be a chef at the community college and get a chance to chat and she's like listen my mom wanted to feed his healthy shit. Take two buses. It took an hour each way just to go to the grocery store to get some vegetables because we had nothing in her neighborhood Albany and get worth Little Debbie's or till I think like Hostess cupcakes and whenever drunk they could have, you know, it was just it was horrific. So I think there is a real problem.
of inequitable distribution of food and access but I also think it's a big problem of education and I know I think for me that this really was highlighted by an experience I had in South Carolina and I just have to admit that I did have a bit of prejudice before I went down there in South Carolina met this family. I thought although people kind of know they shouldn't be drinking Coke and having all this junk food and going to McDonald's and they do it anyway, and the truth is they just don't know and I went to this family's home. They lived in a trailer a family of five on disability and food stamps and fathered 42 already and diabetes had kidney failure was under stability at 42 years old from diabetes. Okay. It wasn't typed 1 it was type 2 and it was all diet-related and then why the mother was, you know, well over a hundred pounds overweight the sun was well over a hundred pounds overweight and they were struggling and they were trying to do the right thing because the father had to get a new kidney and he couldn't unless he lost the weight and they were desperate to do the right thing and it turns out that
They just didn't know I went to her kitchen. I did a biopsy of their fridge and they're covered in their freezer and I showed them what was in their food. They're like, oh, you know, look at this. It's a low-fat, you know low-calorie dessert topping Cool Whip. I'm like, yeah. It says zero trans fat on the label. I said, yeah. Well, let's look at the ingredients because it's mostly are they get away with legally lying and the number one ingredient is trans fat and high fructose corn syrup. So it's poison and yet they're selling it as a heart. Healthy dessert and that's what they thought and so we just cooked a simple meal from real food. I gave them a guide on how to eat good food on a tight budget from the environmental working group and they lived in one of the worst Food deserts in America according to rating standard, which is the retail environment food index which is how many junk food and convenience stores. There are two grocery stores and they were like one of the worst but somehow in this rural area in the middle of nowhere in South Carolina, they figured it out with the right education few cooking skills, and they were able to lose
200 pounds of the family the father lost 45 got a new kidney and the mother lost well over a hundred the sun lost 50 gained it all back and he went to work at Bojangles, but eventually got his act together and lost a hundred and thirty-eight pounds and went on to go to medical school. The first person would be a college done less medical school and his family. So I think there's a real educational Gap as well as an access Gap and both of those have to be addressed. I'm glad you mentioned meat because meat is a big part of our diets today. How does it fit into the vegan diet? Is it possible to simply lower your meat consumption? And how does that fit in and how would you go about it? Well, I think it's important that we lower our meat consumption to 0 from any factory farm whether it's pigs chicken meat beef. It should be zero and the reason for that is that it one is not great for you the meat produces obviously of lower quality and as hormones antibiotics and pesticides and all kinds of crap to it's bad for the animals in the way. They're raised.
It's bad for the environment and climate so they should be bad. That's not to say that if we all for example we're able to grow or gender of meat or arrays pasture-raised chickens or have you know, sustainable Fish Farms that we couldn't be eating an adequate amount of meat without having hugely limiting them. I mean, of course, we eat way more American than we need to obviously but I think you know, it's okay to eat, you know, a palm-sized full of animal protein once a day. Or twice a day. That's okay. And if it's done, we generally that has a net benefit writes a net benefit to the planet the UN says that if we took two out of the five million hectares of degraded land around the world and converted to regenerative agriculture that we would be able to stop climate change for 20 years. And this island is degraded that can't be used for anything else and you start to put animals on them. You start to graze them you start to do it in the right way because you can just throw them on land let him run around and whenever they'll eat everything down to the stubs, which is how we get desert.
It's a very specific type of grazing called adaptive multipath grazing and there's a lot of other terms for it. So, I think I think I think it's really important to think about not how much but you know, what right the quality matter. So as I said before it's not the cow. It's the how and if we focus on that sure then we can find sources of meat whether it Premiere pose a ranch about Campo farms, and we can buy stuff online. It may be cheaper per serving for me. Then a McDonald's hamburger because your you could buy for example of how to share you could buy a whole cow with a bunch of friends chop it up and put it in a freezer and it's great and I think people can learn how to shop and ways to get cheaper access to some of these things. So the more we do that the more it'll drive the market the more business will come online the more the big companies will start to do this what you talk about in the peak in the diet is that it's not just about creating sustaining the health of a single person, but it's the health of an entire planet. So can you talk a little bit?
specifically about principal 9 in your book how to eat like a region is Aryan to help save our planet. Why should we care about soil specifically and how do we accomplish the goal of ongoing soil quality? increasingly people are very excited about eating away this only good for them, but good for the planet and understanding the link between our food and food system and climate change. When you look at the data is pretty frightening, depending on how you slice it when you add everything together from deforestation soil erosion of factory farming to in sport Refrigeration to food waste in our food system end in is probably the number one cause of climate change up to 40 to 50 percent of all greenhouse gases. So the question is, how do we start to shift our diet and our choices to eat like a regenerate Aryan and yesterday I was shopping and I went to the grocery store and I bought some coconut oil and there was dr. Bronner's coconut oil. They have no relationship Financial with empathy. They have created this regenerate Organic certification along with Rodale Institute and Patagonian others to the working on the standard.
Which is organic but regenerative organic and what that means is that we have to grow in a way that restores the ecosystems on the earth and the farm right now. We are in a destructive extractive system of agriculture that in basically Minds the soil depletes the soil and the nutrients in the soil and leads to all sorts of head Downstream horrible consequences one the nitrogen runoff and one the nitrogen that we use for fur. Eliezer produces more methane than and cows three times as much and that's used to fertilize the fields on top of that in the runoff from it goes into the rivers streams and lakes and kills two hundred twelve thousand metric tons of fish in the Gulf of Mexico alone, and there are about 400 similar dead zones around the world that feed half a billion people Seafood. So that's called getting damaged and then you have the overuse of irrigation depletion of our freshwater resources. You have soil that can't hold carbonate.
Because of the carbon that we have in the atmosphere people don't understand this but a third of about 300 billion tons of carbon dioxide comes from the destruction of the soil, which has carbon from the plants. It's putting it in Roots and it's an informed organic matter when you - oil is just dirt it's not soil and we've lost about a third of our topsoil were projected to lose all of it within the next 60 Harvest which is terrifying us faster than any consequences. We see from climate change. and so the game here is how do you eat in a way that supports A system that regenerates Agriculture and we're having a hearing with the new house committee chairman on agriculture on regenerative agriculture very soon and on nutrition. So people are trying to get this in Washington and talk about ending factory farming supporting Farmers to put carbon in the soil supporting every generator of culture. And so we right now don't have a large amount of access to it, but we can't start to move our diet in that way. So start with just eating a whole real
unprocessed food start with eating food from community supported agriculture is if you can or farmers markets if you can find the newer General organic certified label, that's great if you are throwing out your comma your food scraps, I mean, even if you're a vegan you throw your food scraps the methane produced from food scraps in landfills produces three times as much methane is cow farts and burps right and if it were a country food waste would be deleting the third leading emitter of the greenhouse. gases after the US and China and it would get we waste amount of food that would feed over 10 billion people and we'd be happy to be grown in the landmass the size of China and it can cost over two million two trillion dollars that we waste every year. So just composting is such a simple idea some countries like France mandated. You can't throw out ways to go to jail. You going to find an inn in California San Francisco. They have mandated in the city and they have a Citywide composting or the airport. You have to compost your food scraps. So this is all doable.
and and and these are simple actions we can take and as we move more and more towards eating real food as we drive the marketplace. We're starting to see the ships and we see even companies like General Mills and Danone funding Farmers convert to regenerative agriculture Danone. General Mills has committed over a million acres to regenerate agriculture. I mean, we need way more than a million, but yes, it's pretty exciting. That's why I just love the idea of using regenerative agriculture to create complex Farm ecosystems that must include animals. You don't have to eat them. but you must include animals to regenerate the soil. How did we get 50 feet of topsoil in some areas in America? We had a hundred and sixty-eight ruminants running around peeing pooping digging with your host saliva chewing the grasses saliva is like a growth factor for the plants. They wouldn't chew it down. They would just partly raised it then they moved the next part and so you end up with this incredible ability to create soil and we only have 90 million cows here and we are destroying the Earth because of how we're farming. So using
40% of lands are not suitable for growing crops. I mean, you just can't grow vegetables or any crops there. These animals can go there and upcycle all the nutrients into incredibly nutritionally dense food and the doing so you will build soil that'll draw down carbon from the atmosphere. You will conserve water because you don't need water. It's rainwater mostly and that the water is held in this new soil. That's full of organic matter. So you hold maybe 27,000 gallons of water per every % organic matter per acre, which means you avoid droughts and floods, and then you don't need the fertilizer that doesn't end up running off into the streams and lakes and killing all those fish and I mean nitrous oxide, which is what's the greenhouse gas emitted from putting on the fertilizer is 300 times more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. So Bill doesn't understand that any and producing this fertilizer takes two percent of global energy use two percent of all energy produced for everything is for basically making fertilizer. So you end up with this
but a vicious cycle of Destruction you end up with a virtuous cycle of creation and you then restore ecosystems. We lost 75% of our pollinators 50% of our Birds those start to come back as you build these robust ecological systems that not only are better for the planet and only conserve water help draw down carbon and can reverse climate change and eliminate the use of all the need for pesticides herbicides and agrochemicals, but it also produces far more nutrient-dense food. It produces more food per acre, and it also makes the farmers up to 20 times more money and revitalizes Rural communities. So it's kind of a win-win win-win-win except for the agrichemicals companies who highly profit from all this sort of squeezing of farmers to buy their season by their chemicals and the farmers are losing money and it's really sad, but this is the way revitalizing all of that.
I'm glad you mentioned that because I was going to ask is this something that needs to be solved on you know when people think macro problems they think okay, you know the government's this is something that you know, you need to enact policies but one of the recent podcast that we did Tony interviewed several entrepreneurs who are out to solve major global issues such as energy also farming and space transportation and one of the big you know economic incentives is for small businesses is essential that there's a giant market.
Cap right? So this is a huge problem that affects everyone so you talk a little bit more about what you know, what are some of the ways that you think businesses are going to move in, and start implementing some of the ideas here I think is happening. I mean, I read a then billions of dollars flowing into food and adtech. There's a company called. I think it's called Farmland LLP that buys up conventional Farms convert some agenda of Agriculture and can create what we call ecosystem services. So, you know, the You know, we consumed billions or trillions and trillions of dollars of ecosystem services around the world. Meaning we use up the soil. We use Natural Resources. We use trees of water. We know, so we're mining the natural resources, but ecosystem services are restoring ecosystems so farmers can get paid for putting carbon in the soil for not using water for not using chemicals for not polluting the water wave them and you get this virtuous cycle of benefit and what they're finding. is that these Farms are far more profit-making.
And there's 70 80 percent on these Investments that they make because they're just doing the right thing and when they do the right thing it is more profitable and there are all sorts of money flowing into food and AD Tech and I said, I mentioned before General Mills and Danone are starting to understand that their supply chain is threatened in the future if they don't actually if they don't annoyed. It's not going to destroy the soil. They realize we're not going to soil to grow their crops and that they need their raw materials for their products so I don't Is this sense of altruism or moral integrity? That's driving these big multinational food companies to drive or regenerative agriculture. It's for survival because they understand the fragility of our current food supply and the Very way we're farming is destroying our ability in the future to farm because of changes in climate change because of soil because of depletion of water and all these things are just one Bish's problem that has a beautiful solution which creates healthier humans creates healthier soil reverses.
A change and is even good for the animals because they live in a natural state of running around grazing gag grass and doing their thing. So, I think it's kind of a win to win. Are there any other futuristic developments that are thexcitetes you in this field like new research, you know within your field of functional medicine kind of new directions that you think are taking us in the next ten years? Yes, you know one of the things that have excited me. Is this discovery that and this is just incredible research from Folks at Duke boys and Utah State Stephen been delayed and Frederick Provenza. I've done some of this work and they are discovering that in animals who can apply their inherent nutritional wisdom.
that lets them seek out the most powerful medicinal plants the most nutrient-dense plants they're able to upgrade their health and protect themselves from all sorts of problems while at the same time putting these phytochemicals into the meat. So this is a massive Discovery for me where yes, we knew that grass-fed meat was better because it had more omega-3 fats and have more vitamins and minerals and more antioxidants and more CLA which helps cancer.
And improve your metabolism and all that's great. And of course, it was better for the environment and it wasn't any cruel to the animals and Bobby blah, but the shocking discovery for me in the last year or so was that not only is food medicine but meat is a medicine made grass-fed milk and meat can be as powerful in terms of phytochemical richness as some of these plans for example if you have goats that are foraging on certain kinds of shrubs the wild they can take those catechins which are the same chemicals that you find in green tea, which Which is a powerful superfood, that is antioxidant detoxifying that will lead to the same levels of catechins in the goat milk as you would find in green tea, which is kind of shocking. So we know that by digging deeper into this nutritional wisdom of animals that if you grow them not just eating a mono-crop, but if you allow the meet hundreds of species of different plants, they'll pot-bellied this plan because it has this particular phytochemical not playing that says nutrient
the little maybe dosing themselves with all these different plants and that's the kind of food. You want to be eating this ring and when you eat wild food, you know, you get the same sort of experience. So, I think it's really pretty it's pretty exciting. I think we're in radical news here of understanding the role of food in medicine and I would say, you know when it comes to anything we eat and that's the principle of the vegan diet. We shouldn't think of it as calories or energy or fuel. It's all that for sure, but it's also more than that it's information. Its instructions like code that upregulates her downgrade your like it's your biology with every bite and it affects every single function in real-time more than any other single thing. You do every day more than exercise or sleep anything else and it's certainly more powerful than drugs and works quickly if you understand what to do and it's really why I wrote the peak and diet which is sometimes. I was 21 practical principles for reclaiming your health and nutrition confusing world because we're all confused and they're all these dies.
Wars and everybody's at each other, but the truth is there are down the middle the set of nutritional principles that we all agree and we all agree. We should be eating real food. We all agree that Ultra-processed food is not good for us. We all agree. We should be cutting out starch and sugar. We all agree with should be eating lots of good fats. We all agree that nuts and seeds are good. We all agree that fruits and vegetables are good. We all agree that if we should, you know be eating grains and beans we probably shouldn't be eating highly processed ones. We also agree that you know, if we have to eat animals or people choose the animals that they should be raised humanely that that should be grown in a way that's regenerative to the Earth not destructive. and that we can enjoy all the foods that they're out there in nature.
and I think you know, I read a beautiful quote from this guy Fred Provenza the road Ace has so, you know, the universe is a restaurant consuming itself. So, you know, we're all in a cycle of life and death and birth and eating and consuming and you know, even if you're a vegan people don't realize that just to grow the food you destroy natural habitats, and if you're growing a giant Cabbage Patch, and there's a bunch of rabbits in a family of rabbits living in the air and then combine those through its going to kill all the rabbits. So there are about 7 billion animals killed every year just from growing vegetables and plant foods so you can't get away from it, And we're all a part of that vicious in a virtuous cycle of life.
the virtuous cycle of life. I like that has a really good ring to it. Well, thanks so much for your time Mark Ladner. That was fun. Thanks for having me and listeners. We hope you enjoyed this episode you can get dr. Mark hymens book the vegan diet 21 practical principles for reclaiming your health in a nutritionally confusing World is everywhere books are sold. We'll see you next time. The Tony Robbins podcast is directed by Tony Robbins and produced by Tony Robbin's team copyright Robbins research international.